Ok the vampire debate...

lol isn't it?

Most of the supernatural themed movies I've never seen, actually the only one ive ever seen is when my sister dragged me to see twilight with her...

lol good point. evolution isn't contagious. but a method of metamorphosis (for a lack of better terms) evolved to transform other beings could be possible.

and yes, says the witch. the witch who also studies science and wishes to find harmony between both magic and science, even relations. i see that science is more prominent in this physical world than magic.

Most people will just believe what ever they hear first. IMO

so if i told them vampires originated from the butterfly they'd believe me? neat. i could rule the world with this talent for exploiting gullible idiots.

Alright. Explain how vampires can cheat biology.

by being related to the butterfly?
by being fab of course and sparkling in the sunlight..

You know what I mean. The older ones not needing to eat, or drink, or breathe.

when did i mention not eating drinking or breathing? i was merely stating a possibility of evolution, not a conjured "fact" out of my ass. it is merely a very fuzzy undeveloped suggestion. that somehow vampires evolved some way to put other beings through a metamorphosis. however i know nothing related in nature to support even the weakest of hypothesis. the evolution theory could go hand in hand with the sang vampire, a human that just needs blood, much easier than a vampire that is fully fledged to fit the mythos bill and turns humans into another being. i dont know if vampires are of the same genus as humans. i would be excited to get living samples of a vampire and research the subject to try and know more about what they are. but i dont have any true organisms to sample from. no genetics to trace or dna to speculate over. if i did i wouldn't be trying to explain how they cheat biology, but how they are another part of biology.

it also doesn't help that i dont know much about vampires, their dna, their metamorphosis. and with no studies on the matter at my disposal i can't really say. in other words, i cannot explain. as i said it's too small and undeveloped to even be considered the lowest of hypothesis.

and they do drink. they feed as a vampire bat or mosquito does. by feeding on blood. however they aren't alive as you continuously state, and they're held up by magic correct? the biology in that i dont know, but im sure there's something unknown in there. too bad vampires are considered fantasy to scientists. or maybe that's good for them..

You are missing my point. Traditional biological models don't support magic. In essence, you have a biologically dead specimen that can simulate life functions through magic fueled by blood. These selfsame magics most likely also grant them their supernatural qualities (to exert more force than their body is capable of exerting, as an example). You could think of the magic as being like a blood-powered generator.

Sounds like chi/ki/qi

It's just the bio electric energy of your body

Which as I found out recently can do surprising things.

Except that "animal magnetism" has been proven to be ineffective by modern science. And its not "chi/ki/qi"; if that was true, vampires would just need to touch you. Its blood. They can bottle it using methods that prevent it from congealing and chug it later; "ki" would have dispersed from the blood by then, would it have not?

It would have dispersed if that was how ki works

anyway, but yes youre right in that it would not be ki in that case

You wouldn't need to bottle ki, you would just draw the energy from your body and use it.

Some, MORE experienced users, can even draw it out of there opponent. Or for others use it to cause direct harm.

1. My point.
2. The concept of qi isn't really a "life-force"; its the quality of animation. Fire, for example, possesses qi, but is not alive. "Qi control" is merely being aware of how your own body works. Its nothing magical or mysterious. Being aware of your own body is impressive enough as it is; why would you need to believe in a mystical animating quality for it to be impressive?

never said it was life force

and there is nothing mystical about it

its energy, that's all.

energy flows through living and non living

the flow of the wind is energy

the rushing of water

the earth beneath our feet shift constantly

and as you said fire

energy is cosmic, it's universal

whats impressive is actually using it.

as you say, being aware of your own body. But there are things you could never imagine the human body could do. When a visiting sifu make an entire building shake just by stomping on the tile floor. Well in retrospect I guess YOU could imagine some things the human body can accomplish, but most people are awestruck.

Its not an everyday commonplace thing, and people have to train for years even lifetimes.

But I digress, im not here to preach.

Anyway I was just throwing my thoughts out there, that vampires might just be using some kind of energy like that.

Actually, Blood is rich in nutrients that can't be digested by humans. Red blood cells are rich in absorbed nutrients and energy, whereas plasma contains dissolved particles imperative to a vampire's health. White blood cells are nutrients in themselves. These particles can be broken down by the digestive system of a vampire bat, like it can be done with a real Vampire.

Nice idea, but not really. Last time I checked, qi doesn't allow you to exist without a heartbeat. Jiang-shi feed off of "vital essence"; vamps need blood.

Fair enough

oh ok. that makes more sense. so they're kind of more of a metaphysically functioning being sort of in the wrong world..lol
could it be possible, and this is so underdeveloped, but going off what Medio mentioned, couldn't the blood taken in by the vampire be feeding oxygen to the vitals in the animated body? and there's power in blood no? something to fuel the magic? i just want to understand this better. im not a vampire, in case you haven't noticed lol

Yeah, its basically internalized blood sorcery, from what I understand.

wicked. wish i could see samples under a scope..

WhiteLupin wrote:oh ok. that makes more sense. so they're kind of more of a metaphysically functioning being sort of in the wrong world..lol
could it be possible, and this is so underdeveloped, but going off what Medio mentioned, couldn't the blood taken in by the vampire be feeding oxygen to the vitals in the animated body? and there's power in blood no? something to fuel the magic? i just want to understand this better. im not a vampire, in case you haven't noticed lol

I have no idea where animated bodies are coming from.
Firs there's vampires and then there's bodies left and right.
I'm too old for this shit. x_X
Well, it's not power so much as it's energy. I don't think there's any magic in blood myself, because I have seen the shit under a microscope (white blood cells are rad) also, the oxygen in blood is carried in oxyhemoglobin, which is only a part of the blood. (red blood cells, to be precise.) Plasma is rich in nutrients and proteins which can't be digested by the human stomach. Link that to the Vampire virus and the way it morphs your cells and viola! HEERREE we are.
I don't think there is ANY magic in blood feeding. It's just the nutrient rich blood that only we can digest. It's a 3rd dimension, a life force that we desperately need.

lol well Az here was telling me that vampires are animated corpses. personally yours makes more sense, but that's the scientific mindset.

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